Tuesday, October 7, 2008

The Collapse of Building 7 By Arthur Scheuerman February 29, 2008

The Collapse of Building 7

By Arthur Scheuerman

FDNY Battalion Chief, Retired

Posted February 29, 2008

WTC's Building 7 was a 47-story office building completed in 1987 by Silverstein Properties on land owned by the Port Authority. It was built according to PA-NY-NJ codes developed for tenant alterations in the tower buildings. Building 7 was not hit by any planes but had damage from parts of Tower 1 impacting the south wall. Because of the damage to the building and the failure of the water supply, after talking to the owner, the Fire Department decided to evacuate the building and not attempt to control the fires but to let them burn out.

Building 7 had all the same deficiencies present in the Towers except that the bar joist, trusses were replaced with long span I beams. There were large growing fires on several floors as well as damage from the exterior columns of Tower 1 which peeled away during its collapse and hit the southwest corner and the middle of the south side of building 7, gouging out large sections. In addition to this damage, and problems with water supply the Fire Department Command decided not to fight these fires and ordered every one out of the building and out of the collapse zone (which was a large area including buildings and streets around building 7) It is the procedure when anticipating possible collapse to discontinue interior firefighting operations and that a collapse zone is cleared around the building. The anticipation of collapse was a brilliant conclusion and no lives were lost when the 47 story building collapsed about an hour and a half after the evacuation order was given. The BBC somehow misheard the orders to evacuate the collapse zone and reported the building had collapsed well before it actually did.



Figure 20a. Floors 8 to 45 plan. (Courtesy of NIST)



Building 7 was built over an existing Consolidated Edison power station. Above the seventh floor, the construction was very similar to that of the towers: with long-span outer floors, large open areas, unknown fireproofing on the steel, little lateral bracing in the core, and most likely weak column splicing. Since the perimeter wall columns were shear walls that resisted wind loads, the long-span floors (53 feet) acted as a diaphragm, transferring loads between exterior walls and between the walls and the core; the center core structure, as in the towers, supported only gravity loads with no lateral bracing except the floors. One important difference was that instead of steel bar-joists, the primary floor structure was more typical in that it had two-foot-deep wide flange steel 'I'-beams, nine feet on center, composite with a concrete slab.

The long-span steel I-beams had ¾-inch diameter by five-inch-long steel shear studs, about two feet on center that projected into the concrete. These studs provided bonding and composite action under load with the 5½-inch concrete floor. Shear studs were not provided in the core.

Similar sorts of floor-failure mechanisms, as those responsible for the towers' collapse, might have been responsible for Building 7's interior column failure, which triggered the progressive collapse. NIST studies (2, Appendix L) show that because of the large areas and long spans failure of one or more of three key interior columns on the east side of the building would travel vertically to the roof, collapsing all the floors on the east side and producing the initial kink in the east penthouse roof - the first indication of collapse as videotaped. As seen on the videotape, the west penthouse roof sank into the building five seconds after the east penthouse sank and indicates a horizontal collapse progression to the rectangular core, imploding the building.

I believe the collapse was unlikely to have started below the 5th floor, since the construction below the 5th floor was more conventional. These lower floors were reinforced with much lateral bracing and thick, reinforced membrane floors that would redistribute any lateral loads throughout the lower floors. The 5th floors to 7th floors were transition floors. There was speculation about the fire’s being on these floors and fed from oil-fired generators supplied from tanks on the lower floors. There was evidence for fire on the 7th and 8th floors.

The fire shown in photos 21 and 22 appears to be a very severe, but ordinary, office fire and was well above the area supplied with oil lines. There is a strong possibility that this building collapsed from this office fire alone. NIST was scheduled to complete its analysis of the cause of the collapse in late 2007. This report is my contribution toward the analysis.



Figure 21. The approximate fire location on the east side of floor 12. (Courtesy of NIST, modified by author)

Fire was first seen on the south side spreading east than photographed coming out of eight windows on the east side on the 12th floor. This fire must have dropped down to or spread up from the 11th floor, since another photo shows fire at four windows on the 11th floor. There was also fire showing at multiple 12th-floor windows on the north side and some windows on the 7th floor. This is a serious high-rise building fire that would have necessitated multiple alarms to control. There were various other fires on different floors. These photos were taken at around 2 p.m. Later photos show extensive numbers of windows burnt out apparently on the 11th and 12th floors and the 6th and 7th floors on the north side. The building collapsed about 5 pm, after the fire had burned out in most areas on the11th and 12th and 6th and 7th-floors.



Collapse Initiation Hypothesis

With a serious large area fire on the 12th floor, the two foot wide, long-span steel beams on the 13th floor, depending on the amount of fireproofing insulation installed, could have expanded and bowed, sagged or buckled downward and possibly twisted out or flopped over from the uncontrolled fire. The same scenario could have been happening on the 7th floor with fire weakening the steel on the 8th floor. Steel expansion and buckling would have deflected the floors possibly into suspension or the fire may have been burning long enough to weaken the steel causing additional sag. Unlike the bar-joist failure producing early pull-in forces, steel I-beam composite floors usually maintain push-out forces,- at least in the short-span configuration used in the standard frame construction,- caused by their expansion, during the fire, while the slab floors sag into tensile membrane action. It is unknown whether long-span floors act the same way. The large area of the concrete slab may have limited or increased tensile membrane action. As the steel beams first expanded from the heat, the studs might have pulled the slower expanding concrete into tension, possibly cracking it and removing some compression capabilities. This would have allowed the steel beams to bow or buckle sooner from the loads and thermal forces and the floor to sag and put torque on the connections to the girder supported by the three key columns on the east side. The sag could have also separated the wire mesh bond in the concrete over the girder. The girders themselves may have also been sagging.

As the sagging steel beams and girders cooled after burnout, they began to contract. Since they would have been seriously deflected downward, the beams would have been unable to overcome the inertia and lift the floor loads as they contracted, and strong pull-in forces would have developed. According to Seputro “Plastification of the steel beam leads to very high tensile stresses that may cause rupture damage to the connections after cooling. If the fire decays before the beam fails, the deformation and the steel strength will recover. The cooling phase causes shortening of the beam, which can be dangerous in the pin-pin and fix-fix cases as it may cause tensile rupture of the end connections”. Lamont, Lane, Flint and Usmani’s studies also indicate that in long span (10 meter) floors the beams can disconnect from thermal buckling and contraction on cooling.41

The increasing tension or torque in the 13th floor’s (or 8th floor’s) connections from suspension forces as the floor cooled and contracted after burnout could have started an edge detachment, or rip failure, detaching the beams along the north-south girder along the line of columns 79, 80, and 81. The “typical floor beam-to-girder and girder-to-core column connection was a single shear plate,” (2, Appendix. L, 7) but certain floors had reinforced connections. This tension or torque could have disconnected the west side of the east floor from the girder, allowing tension in the remaining portion of the floor to laterally displace one or more columns and break the column splices as the beams contracted. There were fewer beam connections to the west side of this girder than on the east side. The sinking of the east roof penthouse before any other visible failure indicates that one, two or three of the key columns (79, 80, and 81) were the first to fail. These were massive columns and most probably adequately fireproofed and would not have failed directly from heat.

The girder itself along the line of columns 79, 80 and 81 could also itself have sagged and detached from the remaining girder creating pull-in forces on the column(s) as the girder buckled from the heat and/or contracted from cooling.

A less likely scenario is that the floor attachments to Columns 76, 77, and 78 initially failed. As the 13th floor (or 8th floor) sagged and contracted as it cooled, the floor could have initially detached at these east core columns. The loss of restraint could have allowed the remaining tension in sagging and contracting floors to laterally deflect one or more of the three key columns (79, 80, and 81). There was a layer of welded wire mesh reinforcement placed in the concrete over the girders along columns 79, 80, and 81; this additional reinforcement might have strengthened these connections and thus caused the connections to the core to fail first. There was also fire on the 11th floor, and possibly the 14th floor (and the 6th and 7th floors). This could have assisted the failure of Columns 79, 80, and 81 by producing additional lateral forces.



Vertical Progression



Figure 22. East-West building middle section as viewed from the north showing column failure and resulting progression, putting all floors above in suspension; and the east roof shed is sinking. Reinforced floors are darker. (Diagram by author.)



This initial column failure was evidenced by the kinking and sinking of the east penthouse into the building’s roof and the simultaneous breaking of the windows on the east side of the north wall as it was pulled in by the suspended floors. The east wall was also reported bowing inward.

NIST studies have shown that because of the large floor areas, the failure of just one key column on any one of the lower floors would cause a vertical progression of collapse upward so that the entire section would come down. (NIST, S. Shyam Sunder lecture) This single-column’s failure initiating progressive collapse is a design defect noncompliant with the NYC codes. The buckling of these three key columns (79, 80, and 81) would have removed support for all columns directly above, putting all upper floors in immediate long-span suspension with eventual collapse. The breaking of the widows on the east side of the north face simultaneously with the buckling of the roof shed was evidence of this tension as the north wall was pulled and leaned in. This high tension in all the floors above could have failed the floor connections or buckled more columns, depending on the stresses and strains developed. As can be seen in the illustration, the floors would have been equally deflected in the initial collapse because of the geometry of the rigid columns pulling or pushing on the floors. This equal floor deflection would have created pull-in forces in the floors increasing, from the top floor downward, on the exterior walls and interior columns on the west side. This sequential increase of pull-in forces progressing downward is because the walls would have been leaning inward a greater distance at the top.

If the connections had held, and because the 14th floor was still intact, even though sagging, the exterior and interior columns more likely would have buckled near that floor. The question that needs analysis is what connections would fail first and what connections would hold with all 35 floors in suspension? NIST reported that the information available indicated that the floor–to-column connections would fail under this scenario without seriously damaging the perimeter or interior columns. However, certain connections on Floors 19 and 20 were reinforced, and Floors 21 to 23 used heavier steel. (2,126) These floors could have developed a higher degree of column destabilizing tensile forces before connection failure cut off these lateral forces.


Horizontal Progression West

One of NIST’s hypotheses involving the horizontal progression is that the impact of the debris from the falling floors hit a robust transverse truss between Floors 5 and 7 and rotated the truss, which would have pulled a line of core columns eastward, collapsing the core. This is certainly possible and may have happened, but probably not until after the core had already started collapsing from the tensile forces from the floors in suspension.

Floors 21 to 23 had slightly heavier steel framing than the others (shown darker in diagram, Figure 22). Portions of Floors 10, 19, and 20 had reinforcing plates on the bottom flange, and certain connections were reinforced. If other floor connections failed, these strong connections might have held and pulled a line of core columns eastward, especially if impacted by falling debris from the collapsing floors above. The fact that Core Columns 76, 77, and 78 on all the floors would have been subjected to suspension induced ‘pull-in’ eastward with increasing ‘pull-in’ on the lower floors, should be figured in.

Tension in the suspended floors above the buckled columns could have put floor connections to the core columns under immediate severe lateral stress on all the floors above 13. The failure of columns 76, 77 and 78 could have started the progression westward and been responsible for the kink in the north facade. If the floor connections to Column 77’s connection held on any of the levels above the 13th floor, a middle line of Core Columns 77 to 62, and possibly 59, could have been pulled eastward on any floor under the lateral forces. This line of middle core columns would more easily have been pulled eastward, since there were elevator shafts along this line and there were fewer floors that could have restrained these columns and floor beams from deflection. The connections to columns 76 and 78 on any floor above the thirteenth would probably fail first allowing the connection to column 77 to hold and pull the line the line of core columns 77 to 62 and possibly 59 eastward.


The reinforced connections on Floors 19 to 23 could have made it more likely that these connections would have held and buckled the middle line of core columns destabilized the remaining core columns. As this middle line of columns deflected, they would have pulled the remaining core columns inward toward the middle line, possibly buckling all the core columns on a floor. Debris hitting the girders and beams might have assisted in deflecting this middle line of columns. Columns 78 to 63 and/or 76 to 61 could have been pulled inward more easily since the attached beams did not have shear studs connecting them to the concrete floors. The elevator shafts without floors would offer little resistance to this inward buckling. These core columns which probably had weak splices would have had to buckle on only one floor to collapse the core structure and implode the whole building.



Five seconds after the east penthouse failed, the west shed disappeared into the roof indicating that the core failed before the building began descending. The breaking of the vertical line of windows near Column 54 on the east side of the north wall simultaneously with the sinking of the east penthouse indicates that the wall was being pulled inward by the sagging floors above the buckled core columns.







Figure 24. As-built elevations. Building 7. Courtesy of NIST.)

There were numerous diagonal braces in the core below the 7th floor. There were also thick reinforced concrete floors on the 5th and 7th floors. The 5th floor diaphragm was 14 inches thick and reinforced with imbedded steel “T” sections. The 7th floor was eight-inch reinforced concrete. This would have made it less likely that the initial failure started or progressed on these lower floors but, since the fire was also on the 7th floor, and the 8th floor was not reinforced and would have been receiving all the heat from the 7th floor fire, the 8th floor could have sagged and could have affected those columns.

The belt truss around the building at the 22nd to the 24th floors stiffened the perimeter wall and probably supported the outer frame and helped it come down as a unit above the buckling columns.

As the core failed, the perimeter walls were pulled inward, with the greatest deflection at the top floors. This “lean in” of the perimeter walls sequentially decreased the pull-in forces on each floor moving upward, and produced increasing forces on each consecutive floor moving lower. Various exterior columns and connections would have failed on the lower floors with the increasing tension. This perimeter wall’s buckling was not seen in the videos because it was below the line of sight because of the buildings in the foreground; it looked as though the building had just descended straight into the ground.

The evidence of dust expulsions from floor to floor upward from the southwest corner near the roof, said to be from “detonations,” would have been caused by the floors’ disconnecting sequentially in the corner as the tensions in the suspended collapsing floors increased after core failure. That these failures were sequentially upward shows that there were sequentially increasing tensions in lower floors due to exterior wall’s leaning inward.

The possibility that some weaknesses exist in high-rise buildings constructed with long-span floors and cores without lateral bracing and with weak column splices necessitates that all possible failure mechanisms be studied to determine the cause of failure and means to prevent future failure. NIST can do a computer analysis of the forces involved and connection strength to confirm or disprove the analysis and clarify this theory. With the increasing spans and size of floor areas of high-rise office buildings allowed by the use of steel, there is a critical need for new methods to test long-span floors to determine if they are, or can be, adequately protected from fire.

New methods should be developed for testing and determining the forces that affect these floors and their connections under collapse conditions. Long span ‘I’ beams may be affected by differential heating and expansion of different parts of the web or flanges causing early bowing, buckling or twisting, affecting structural integrity. Contraction of sagging steel beams of girders as they cool after the fire burns out may put extra pull-in forces on columns pulling them out of alignment and buckling them. If these long-span floors cannot be adequately tested and protected against progressive or global collapse, the spans should be reduced and the steel size and strength increased. Surely, lateral bracing of core columns on each floor should be required, the column splice strength increased and alternate load paths should be built in to handle floor loads in case columns fail. In situations where the failure of floor assemblies could affect the lateral stability of the columns, these floors should be considered part of the frame and should have the same degree of fireproofing protection as the columns.

14 comments:

Arthur Scheuerman said...

WTC 7 a high-rise office building met all New York City codes and was not hit by any planes and was destroyed by a fire in ordinary combustible furnishings. You may say it’s highly unreasonable to believe that 4 steel constructed high-rise buildings collapsed from fire in one day? Well they all had one thing in common; Long Span steel composite floors with connections not designed for thermal effects. Long span steel beams have a magnified response to heat. They expand a longer distance than short span beams and they still have their full strength in the beginning of the expansion. NIST computer studies show that this strength while elongating can shear off the bolts connecting the beams to the columns or girders as the restrained beams expand. This strength can also crack the concrete slab at the shear studs and buckle the beam itself as differential compression builds up during expansion.

A buckled or bowing long span (over 40 feet) beam can impart large tension forces on the connections especially when the deflected beam begins to shrink as it cools. Bowing occurs when the bottom flange of a steel beam expands faster than the top flange. The fireproofing insulation thickness schedules in the Building Code were developed for the short span floors which were used in the older buildings and this insulation defended against weakness in the steel beams. Steel weakening occurs later at higher temperatures 1100deg. F (about 600 deg. C). Low temperature expansion effects occur earlier as the steel is first heated at temperatures below 400 deg. C and long span expansion effects have not yet been compensated for in the codes. This deficiency in high-rise office buildings using long span flooring systems, is a new discovery uncovered by the study of the collapse of the Twin Towers and Buildings 5 and 7 and was first illuminated by engineering computer studies.
Another important characteristic of large open areas with combustible furnishings is that a fire can spread over the whole area and release a large quantity of heat if not extinguished immediately as by a working water spray system (sprinkler). The water spray systems in both towers and Building 7 were damaged by the forces of plane impacts and in Building 7 by the tower’s collapse impacts damaging the water mains in the streets.

The other thing about long span floors is that the builders have to relocate or remove the columns to get the open office areas that they wanted in the first place. When an interior column or columns fail under such large open area circumstances it or they may not be able to redistribute the floor loads to other columns and the collapse is likely to progress upwards. If the building is not protected against progressive collapse, global (total) collapse can ensue. Building 7 collapsed because one key interior column failed after the long span floors failed around it.

Arthur Scheuerman
Ret. Battalion Chief, FDNY

Geezer Power said...

Interesting opinion Arthur. Almost as interesting as your statement from the second paragraph of the revised version of "The Collapse of Building 7 By Arthur Scheuerman February 29, 2008".

Quote: "The anticipation of collapse was a brilliant conclusion and no lives were lost when the 47 story building collapsed about an hour and a half after the evacuation order was given. The BBC somehow misheard the orders to evacuate the collapse zone and reported the building had collapsed well before it actually did."

This,of course didn't exist in your original paper....


The Collapse of Building 7 by Arthur Scheuerman December 8, ‘06


WTC’s Building 7 was a 47-story office building completed in 1987 by Silverstein
Properties on land owned by the Port Authority. It was built according to PA-NYNJ
codes developed for tenant alterations in the tower buildings. Building 7 was
not hit by any planes but had some damage from parts of Tower 1 impacting the
south wall. Because of the damage to the building and the failure of the water
supply, after talking to the owner, the Fire Department decided to evacuate the
building and not to attempt to control the fires but to let them burn out. Since it
was a “fire resistive” building, there would have been every expectation that the
fires would burn out without any local or global collapse. However, given that the
towers had collapsed and that there had been a serious interior collapse of
Building 5, there was concern, and the collapse area around the building was
cleared. The building suffered global collapse from fire after several hours of
uncontrolled burning. There were no known injuries or fatalities in the collapse.


Building 7 was built over an existing Consolidated Edison power station. Above
the seventh floor, the construction was very similar to that of the towers: with
long-span outer floors, large open areas, unknown fireproofing on the steel, little
lateral bracing in the core, and most likely weak column splicing.


Since the perimeter wall columns were shear walls that resisted wind loads, the
long-span floors (53 feet) acted as a diaphragm, transferring loads between
exterior walls and between the walls and the core; the center core structure, as
in the towers, supported only gravity loads. One important difference was that
instead of steel bar-joists, the primary floor structure was more typical in that it
had two-foot-deep wide flange steel I-beams, nine feet on center, composite
with a concrete slab.

Geezer Power said...

Not only that but there were signifigant changes throughout the whole paper. Here is the first paragraph from the revised report...

"Because of the damage to the building and the failure of the water supply, after talking to the owner, the Fire Department decided to evacuate the building and not attempt to control the fires but to let them burn out."

And here is the first paragraph from the original paper...

"Because of the damage to the building and the failure of the watersupply, after talking to the owner, the Fire Department decided to evacuate the
building and not to attempt to control the fires but to let them burn out. Since it
was a “fire resistive” building, there would have been every expectation that the
fires would burn out without any local or global collapse. However, given that the
towers had collapsed and that there had been a serious interior collapse of Building 5, there was concern, and the collapse area around the building was
cleared. The building suffered global collapse from fire after several hours of uncontrolled burning. There were no known injuries or fatalities in the collapse."

Except that all of the following was deleted from the revised copy...

"Since it
was a “fire resistive” building, there would have been every expectation that the
fires would burn out without any local or global collapse. However, given that the
towers had collapsed and that there had been a serious interior collapse of Building 5, there was concern, and the collapse area around the building was
cleared. The building suffered global collapse from fire after several hours of uncontrolled burning. There were no known injuries or fatalities in the collapse."

I have to say.Arthur, that the changes here are pretty signifigant, and that maybe you should say which report is to be used...G:

Geezer Power said...

Well,I guess the last question wasn't necessary, as the only reference on the NIST web site is to the original article of The Collapse of Building 7 by Arthur Scheuerman from December 8, 06.

link

Funny that the nerds over at JREF have been using the new version which exists only on Mark Roberts google site....like on Ronald Wiecks Hardfire video...G:

Geezer Power said...

Here's a link, folks, to....

Ronald Wiecks Skeptic Show

Pop up some pop corn and enjoy....( :

Arthur Scheuerman said...

My report of Feb. 29, 2008 on the collapse of building 7 has been eclipsed by NIST's final report on the subject. They found new information on the extent of the fires, and used a new computer analysis which took months to run and practically proved that the fires alone could have deconstructed the building.

Geezer Power said...

Yep, I looked at the latest NIST report, IMO it proves nothing. Computor analysis is only as good as the information fed to it. Real evidence and a real investigation are direly needed but, once more, I reiterate.

Just wondering , Arthur, if this means that Hardfire will want to retract their questionable video and if the BBC debunk should be retracted as well....G:

Arthur Scheuerman said...

Geezer. You object to my changing several sentences in my bldg. 7 report.
I am always willing to revise my theory if additional evidence or theories become available. Science is all about changing your mind. When the preponderance of evidence points to a different direction you change your hypothesis. That’s what science is all about. If I can improve my theory by additional or changed information I certainly will.

You must be a religious man. Religion teaches people to swallow everything whole. Have faith believe everything I tell you. Don’t question the church. Believe and you will be saved. Science is the opposite. Question everything. Look at all the evidence until disproven. Admit no evidence unless it is proved.

If I find something that explains the collapse better than I already have, I will adopt it. Changing your mind is necessary for science. So far the controlled demolition people haven't produced any credible evidence. All of their exclamations are just imaginary conceptions. If the amount of explosives that they postulate was used there would be evidence all over the place. Steel is torn to pieces by explosives. The evidence, however, shows the exterior columns were separated at the splices by the bolts breaking, and the core columns were separated at the welded splices, the weakest point. The CD’ers seem to think that if the largest building in the world collapsed it would not produce any loud sounds. There would be very loud impact sounds. That doesn’t mean there were explosives used. Every thing they can’t explain they attribute to controlled demolition. They can’t change their minds. They are not scientific.

Arthur Scheuerman

Geezer Power said...

quote:

"Question everything. Look at all the evidence until disproven. Admit no evidence unless it is proved."

Scientific method? Or the questionable method used by debunkers?



Scientific method
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Scientific method refers to bodies of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge. To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on gathering observable, empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning.[1] A scientific method consists of the collection of data through observation and experimentation, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses.[2]

Although procedures vary from one field of inquiry to another, identifiable features distinguish scientific inquiry from other methodologies of knowledge. Scientific researchers propose hypotheses as explanations of phenomena, and design experimental studies to test these hypotheses. These steps must be repeatable in order to dependably predict any future results. Theories that encompass wider domains of inquiry may bind many hypotheses together in a coherent structure. This in turn may help form new hypotheses or place groups of hypotheses into context.

Among other facets shared by the various fields of inquiry is the conviction that the process be objective to reduce a biased interpretation of the results. Another basic expectation is to document, archive and share all data and methodology so they are available for careful scrutiny by other scientists, thereby allowing other researchers the opportunity to verify results by attempting to reproduce them. This practice, called full disclosure, also allows statistical measures of the reliability of these data to be established.

Anyway, what we're doing is an investigation of a crime and what is needed, but I reitierate & reiterate etc....zzzzZZZZ. What is needed is documentation of the testimony and gathering of the phYsical evidence.
There is no theory here, we already know what happened. There are people that know and evidence that show
exactly what happened. Your hypothesis about how WTC buildings collapsed is beyond science and too boring for science fiction. Where is the FBI? Don't you think that they should be investigating this whole thing? Well, I do, and they should have been here from day one instead of police who denied admitance or picture taking of the areas of collapse.
You know and I know that most of the evidence is not in the public domain and never will be, but there was so much that went on that day that more and more evidence is surfacing.

There is video evidence that the floors at the basement area of WTC2 were still intact. There are pictures of machines dismantling them and putting the debris in dump trucks.

What happened to the accumulating mass of concrete and steel that was accelerating at freefall speed? The only concrete found was powder except that from the lower floors.

Try this on for size Arthur. It's from veterans for 911 Truth...

Scientific Poll: 84% Reject Official 9/11 Story

Geezer Power said...

A simple question requires a simple answer...G:

So...which one of these documents should be used when the accountability issues are finally addressed?


The Collapse of Building 7

By Arthur Scheuerman Dec. 8, 2006

~OR~

The Collapse of Building 7

By Arthur Scheuerman FDNY Battalion Chief, Retired Posted February 29,2008



To simplify this...Will you be using the latest report?

A yes or no answer will suffice...



Readers please note that the first thing Ronald does is quote Arthurs statement from the new report with the same name as the old one.

Ronald:

“The anticipation of collapse was a brilliant conclusion and no lives were lost when the 47 story building collapsed about an hour and a half after the evacuation order was given. The BBC somehow misheard the orders to evacuate the collapse zone and reported the building had collapsed well before it actually did.”

The note he was reading came directly from this new report…and did not exist in the original report...G:

The Collapse of Building 7

By Arthur Scheuerman

FDNY Battalion Chief, Retired

Posted February 29, 2008

This new version of The Collapse of Building 7 was posted 3 days after Hardfire WTC7 / ARTHUR SCHEUERMAN / MARK ROBERTS / RONALD WIECK was aired on Google on Feb. 26. 2008.

WHAT A WEIRD CO-INCIDENCE!

The url is…

http://scheuermanwtc7paper.googlepages.com/home

Which is a new thing that google is hosting where you can have free pages on the internet.

http://googlepages.com/home

Which means that someone named scheuermanwtc7 set up this page…or did he?

This is the same place that Mark Roberts hosts some of his pages.

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/

Maybe he helped write it? Or maybe he just posted it?

Geezer Power said...

Well folks, pertaining to Gravies copy of the rewrite on googlepages

url
http://scheuermanwtc7paper.googlepages.com/home

I NOW SEE A 404 ERROR

NOT FOUND

G: feb 1 2013

I am not surprised

Geezer Power said...

feb 1 2013

Geezer Power said...

The rewrite of Arthurs paper is no longer on Gravies googerpages

url

http://scheuermanwtc7paper.googlepages.com/home

omly a 404 not found message

i am not surprised...

if only the msm would report this.
Where is Olbermann? Where is Gravy? Where is Pomaroo? that i know...trolling from a discreet corner of youtube...pathetic

Geezer Power said...

There are copies of the original document in existence, but the photographs are missing. Here is one of them...G%

https://sites.google.com/site/mosnas/the-collapse-of-building-7